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Interview: Laura Ingraham With Donald Trump on Fox News - November 2, 2017

  • Donald Trump
    Person
  • Laura Ingraham
    Person

Laura Ingraham

Positive
00:00:00-00:00:02 (3 sec)
"Mr. President it's good to see you." 1

Laura Ingraham

Somewhat Positive
00:00:02-00:00:03 ( sec)
"Thank You" 2

Laura Ingraham

Positive
00:00:03-00:00:12 (10 sec)
"Today, the tax plan announced. Now... and it's interesting, you're getting... you're getting hit from the left and some on the right. Rand Paul's going to vote for it, I think." 3

Laura Ingraham

Very Positive
00:00:12-00:00:25 (13 sec)
"But he said it's not significant because the upper income tier doesn't get a lot of tax rate relief, or any. And then Ron Wyden calls it basically a middle class con job. It's not really a tax cut for the middle class. So, left and right." 4

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:00:25-00:00:38 (13 sec)
"Well, they're big tax cuts... the biggest cuts in the history of our country, actually. We have reform, and we have simplification. And honestly, I am surprised a little bit to hear what you're saying, because we've really gotten great reviews. people are loving it." 5

Donald Trump

Positive
00:00:38-00:00:51 (14 sec)
"Even a certain newspaper that I don't like very much came out today and they gave Schumer four... four Pinocchios, and they said because he was not telling the truth, when it came to the middle class, because he said it's for the rich, and it's really not for the rich." 6

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:00:51-00:01:05 (14 sec)
"It's for the middle class, and it's for jobs, and I would say, maybe even in that order. So the middle class is a big beneficiary. Jobs and companies are big beneficiaries, but the companies really create the jobs." 7

Donald Trump

Positive
00:01:05-00:01:13 (8 sec)
"And we really have, Laura, we've had tremendous receptivity to it, to a point that I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it." 8

Donald Trump

Somewhat Positive
00:01:13-00:01:18 (5 sec)
"So, and I do think Rand Paul, by the way, who I like, I think he's going to vote for it." 9

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:01:18-00:01:24 (6 sec)
"Hillary Clinton said last night that paying for the dossier... she defended it basically." 10

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:01:24-00:01:24 ( sec)
"Right." 11

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:01:24-00:01:32 (8 sec)
"She said it's different from meeting with Russians, Like, meeting with Russians. She was trying to make a, make a, make a comparison, to say, oh no. But she totally defended it." 12

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:01:32-00:01:42 (10 sec)
"Well, she talked about oppo research. It's wonderful. Oppo research, and it's... but not when it comes to us, okay? Oppo research for us, of course, is no good." 13

Donald Trump

Very Negative
00:01:42-00:01:54 (12 sec)
"No. That dossier, which is totally fake, and made up. It's like a novel. But that dossier is a disgrace, and it should not have been allowed to be used. And then I hear the kind of money they spent?" 14

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:01:54-00:01:54 ( sec)
"Nine million." 15

Donald Trump

Very Negative
00:01:54-00:01:59 (4 sec)
"I mean, it's inconceivable. It's absolutely inconceivable. It's horrible." 16

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:01:59-00:02:02 (3 sec)
"So we don't know who authorized payment. We don't really yet have..." 17

Donald Trump

Leans Positive
00:02:02-00:02:09 (7 sec)
"Well, they're trying to find out, and we'll find out. But they'll really... I think it's a disgrace that a thing like that can take place." 18

Laura Ingraham

Somewhat Negative
00:02:09-00:02:22 (14 sec)
"Donna Brazile in her new book writes about the DNC Democrat primary rigging, and talks about corruption. Internal corruption and unethical finances, and she tags Hillary Clinton. Are you surprised about this --" 19

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:02:22-00:02:23 ( sec)
"I think it's --" 20

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:02:23-00:02:27 (4 sec)
"-- given what you said about Bernie Sanders being fa..... being... being given short shrift?" 21

Donald Trump

Slightly Negative
00:02:27-00:02:39 (12 sec)
"think it's a maj... you know, like it's a major story now. Now, I don't know if the mainstream fake media, because they are fake and phony, but I just don't know if they're going to pick it up. But I want to tell you that is a big story, what she's saying." 22

Donald Trump

Very Negative
00:02:39-00:02:58 (19 sec)
"It's illegal, number one, and it's really very unfair to Bernie Sanders. I'm not a Bernie Sanders fan, although I must say I got a lot of his votes, when he was thrown out. Many of those people voted for him because of trade. Because I agreed with him on trade, we're just doing more about it than he can do, and we're doing a lot about it. But that was... I thought that was terrible." 23

Laura Ingraham

Very Positive
00:02:58-00:03:02 (4 sec)
"The justice system a joke and a laughingstock. What were you referring to exactly?" 24

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:03:02-00:03:13 (11 sec)
"Well, when I look at immigration, and I look at this whole thing coming in by lottery, then we can't do anything about it quickly, and I look at what's going on with justice, when it comes to so many different topics...." 25

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:03:13-00:03:15 (2 sec)
"Criminal justice, you talking about criminal justice issues?" 26

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:03:15-00:03:35 (20 sec)
"I really feel... a lot of Justice. This guy would be tied up forever in the court system. You look at some of the cases that are going on forever, and you have them dead to right. Now the justice system has to go quicker, and it has to be really stronger and fairer. It probably has to be fairer too." 27

Donald Trump

Very Negative
00:03:35-00:03:43 (8 sec)
"But, it's very sad. When you look at a lottery system, and you have people coming into the country through the form of a lottery." 28

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:03:43-00:03:43 ( sec)
"Fifty thousand." 29

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:03:43-00:03:56 (13 sec)
"And you know, the countries, just so you understand, the countries are putting their finest in there. They're not putting their best and their greatest in their finest in there. And this kid came in through a lottery system that's going to end, and it's going to end fast." 30

Donald Trump

Positive
00:03:56-00:04:02 (6 sec)
"In fact, I've already instructed Congress: they must end it. And and I think we're going to get even Democrat support on this." 31

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:04:02-00:04:04 (2 sec)
"You had DACA talks today, for the dreamers --" 32

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:04:04-00:04:04 (1 sec)
"I did." 33

Laura Ingraham

Leans Negative
00:04:04-00:04:14 (10 sec)
"-- and to your base, and what you campaigned on was a real common sense policies. you talked about E-Verify, building the wall, chain migration, which is a huge problem." 34

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:04:14-00:04:17 (2 sec)
"All of those things are happening. Chain migration..." 35

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:04:17-00:04:19 (3 sec)
"-- and is that going to be part of any DACA deal?" 36

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:04:19-00:04:20 ( sec)
"Yeah." 37

Laura Ingraham

Positive
00:04:20-00:04:22 (3 sec)
"So if the Democrats want Dreamer help, they're going to have to do..." 38

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:04:22-00:04:23 (1 sec)
"Yeah we're going to..." 39

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:04:23-00:04:25 (2 sec)
"They're going to have to do [Inaudible] chain migration?" 40

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:04:25-00:04:25 ( sec)
"Sure. Sure. Chain immigration is one of the most important things..." 41

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:04:25-00:04:26 (1 sec)
"Is that a requirement for you?" 42

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:04:26-00:04:39 (13 sec)
"Until yesterday, most people never heard of chain migration. I gave a form of a press conference and I started talking about chain migration, and this horrible animal, he's an animal as far as I'm concerned." 43

Donald Trump

Very Negative
00:04:39-00:04:58 (19 sec)
"Twenty three people have touched him -- maybe, came in because he was in... and he was only in with a green card, supposedly. But chain migration is where his whole family comes in. His mother can come in, his father, his grandmother, everybody comes in. Chain migration is a disaster for this country, and it's going to end." 44

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:04:58-00:05:03 (5 sec)
"Now I've been talking about it for a while, but I think the public until yesterday probably never heard about chain migration." 45

Laura Ingraham

Slightly Positive
00:05:03-00:05:08 (5 sec)
"Well, the Republicans didn't want to touch it for a long time. You've held up a mirror to what the Republicans weren't doing." 46

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:05:08-00:05:11 (3 sec)
"Well, they're touching it right now. It's become a very, very strong point right now." 47

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:05:11-00:05:13 (2 sec)
"Will that be part of a dreamer deal? A DACA deal?" 48

Donald Trump

Positive
00:05:13-00:05:16 (3 sec)
"Yes, it'll be part of a DACA deal. DACA is a lot different than Dreamers." 49

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:05:16-00:05:19 (2 sec)
"I mean, for the, for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals." 50

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:05:19-00:05:19 ( sec)
"Yeah." 51

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:05:19-00:05:25 (6 sec)
"Will you require that if any amnesty talks will... will... will require chain migration to end?" 52

Donald Trump

Very Negative
00:05:25-00:05:39 (14 sec)
"I don't think any Republican would vote for anything having to do with leaving chain migration. Chain migration is a disaster for this country, and it's horrible. I mean just take a look at him. 23 people, potentially 23 people?" 53

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:05:39-00:05:41 (2 sec)
"Is that verified?" 54

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:05:41-00:05:46 (6 sec)
"It's what I heard. It's what I gave, whether it's 23 or whether it's two as far as I'm concerned." 55

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:05:46-00:05:50 (4 sec)
"That's a big difference, two and 23." 56

Donald Trump

Slightly Negative
00:05:50-00:05:54 (4 sec)
"No, I know that. But I hear it's 23. So it's a lot of people." 57

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:05:54-00:05:55 (2 sec)
"The wall. When I was at rallies, that's what people... they want that wall built." 58

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:05:55-00:05:58 (2 sec)
"Well, it's one of the things. But we're going to have a wall." 59

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:05:58-00:06:04 (7 sec)
"But, Paul Ryan said at one point 4 billion, he would, he would start... then perhaps that number has been thrown out. But that is a pittance." 60

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:06:04-00:06:16 (11 sec)
"Phase one. Phase one, during the first... well, first of all they say the wall is going to cost $40 billion. It's not going to cost anywhere near that." 61

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:06:16-00:06:17 (2 sec)
"Half that." 62

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:06:17-00:06:36 (19 sec)
"The Democrats are saying... we're talking about less than half. Also you don't have a wall... you have two thousand miles. You have mountains, you have rivers, you have things that you don't put the wall in, you don't need them. It never was planned for that." 63

Donald Trump

Positive
00:06:36-00:06:36 ( sec)
"No, I think for $18 billion or less, we're going to have a great wall. We're doing prototypes right" 64

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:06:36-00:06:48 (12 sec)
"One of the things that's come up pretty strongly is we want to have vision through the wall, because you want to see what's on the other side of the wall. You know, you think we're going to build a nice simple concrete wall, but it's not that simple. No, we're having the wall. We have to have the wall." 65

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:06:48-00:07:06 (18 sec)
"We need the wall for another reason: drugs. Drugs are pouring into our country. A lot of them are coming in through the southern border, and the wall will be a tremendous tool to help facilitate the ending of the drugs coming in. No, the wall is actually coming along pretty well. That will also be apart of DACA or whatever." 66

Laura Ingraham

Slightly Positive
00:07:06-00:07:07 (1 sec)
"But a down payment or a guarantee?" 67

Donald Trump

Positive
00:07:07-00:07:14 (7 sec)
"Well, look when we get the down payment, we're going to have a guarantee. Believe me. We're not taking a down payment and then saying where's the rest of the money." 68

Laura Ingraham

Somewhat Negative
00:07:14-00:07:15 (2 sec)
"Not that can be a scam as well." 69

Donald Trump

Somewhat Positive
00:07:15-00:07:24 (9 sec)
"Because, you know you don't spend all the money immediately. So we can put it back. But when we take a down payment, I'm going to say, I want to make sure the rest of the money is coming." 70

Laura Ingraham

Somewhat Positive
00:07:24-00:07:26 (2 sec)
"You're heading heading off to Asia. Huge trip." 71

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:07:26-00:07:27 (1 sec)
"Yeah." 72

Laura Ingraham

Very Negative
00:07:27-00:07:47 (21 sec)
"Lots of stakes. You've got North Korea, a deal with the Chinese. You're going to stop in Seoul. Your State Department still has some unfilled positions. Are you worried that the State Department doesn't have enough Donald Trump nominees in there to push your vision through? Because other state departments, including Reagan's at times, undermined his agenda." 73

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:07:47-00:07:48 ( sec)
"Yeah." 74

Laura Ingraham

Somewhat Negative
00:07:48-00:07:51 (3 sec)
"And there is a concern that the State Department currently is undermining your agenda." 75

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:07:51-00:08:03 (12 sec)
"So we don't need all the people that they want. You know, don't forget: I'm a business person, and I tell my people when you don't need to fill slots, don't fill them. But we have some people that I'm not happy with there." 76

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:08:03-00:08:05 (2 sec)
"But Assistant Secretary of State, you're not getting rid of that position?" 77

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:08:05-00:08:12 (7 sec)
"All right, but let me tell you, the one that matters is me. I'm the only one that matters. Because when it comes to it, that's what the policy is going to be. You've seen that." 78

Donald Trump

Somewhat Positive
00:08:12-00:08:33 (21 sec)
"You've seen it strongly. We're filling up roles. And don't forget Schumer and the Democrats are just obstructing. You can't get anything through. We have almost about half the number of people coming through as Obama had. But in addition to that, we don't need all of the people. You know, it's called cost saving. You know the old days..." 79

Laura Ingraham

Somewhat Positive
00:08:33-00:08:34 (1 sec)
"But you want your vision pushed?" 80

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:08:34-00:08:44 (10 sec)
"I want my visio, but my vision is my vision anyway. It's called cost saving. There's nothing wrong with cost saving. Rex is in there working hard. He's doing his best. He's doing the best he can." 81

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:08:44-00:08:45 (2 sec)
"Is he going to be with you for the duration?" 82

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:08:45-00:08:59 (14 sec)
"Well, we'll see. I don't know who's going to be... duration. I think the duration... I'll tell you this: I don't think any president in nine months has done the job that we've done. And that includes bills being passed by Congress." 83

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:08:59-00:09:19 (20 sec)
"You look at what's passed by the Senate, by the House. I think we're close to 70 bills, maybe over 70 bills. It's almost a record. You look at all of the deregulation, you look at Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch. You look at all of the other district judges, federal district judge and court of appeals judges. I don't think.... and then of course, the economy. Take a look." 84

Laura Ingraham

Positive
00:09:19-00:09:33 (14 sec)
"Look at the economy. Look at the economy. Are you getting the credit for this economic revival, without your tax cut getting through, without Obamacare repeal yet. And this is a stunning economic revival in ten months." 85

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:09:33-00:09:41 (9 sec)
"It's one of the greatest in the history of our country, and I'm in here now 10 months, and we are setting record after record, day after day I think we hit another one today." 86

Donald Trump

Negative
00:09:41-00:09:51 (10 sec)
"No, I'm not getting enough credit for it because a lot of the reason is enthusiasm level, business level and also the fact that I've cut regulations to the extent that I've cut them." 87

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:09:51-00:10:03 (12 sec)
"I mean, I can tell you jobs that were never going to get built are now being built. Take a look at the pipelines, the Keystone Pipeline, the Dakota Access pipeline. I mean, every day we're hitting new highs. Very important: GDP." 88

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:10:03-00:10:04 (1 sec)
"You take a look GDP. 3.2" 89

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:10:04-00:10:05 (1 sec)
"Two quarters." 90

Donald Trump

Very Negative
00:10:05-00:10:17 (12 sec)
"And now three, and the last one was after four or five really obviously horrible hurricanes. And that's the equivalent of a point. So that would have been a four. A four was unthinkable." 91

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:10:17-00:10:29 (12 sec)
"And each time we go up a point that's two and a half trillion dollars and thousands... I mean millions of jobs, actually. The thing I'm most proud about: companies are starting to come back into our country. They were leaving..." 92

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:10:29-00:10:30 (1 sec)
"Repatriating." 93

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:10:30-00:10:42 (11 sec)
"They are coming back. And one of the things about our taxes, you talk about repatriation. We're bringing in, probably, I think the number is going to be over $4 trillion coming back into our country that's going to be put to work." 94

Laura Ingraham

Slightly Positive
00:10:42-00:10:47 (5 sec)
"Speak of, are you going to do China enforcement on this trip? Tell China, intellectual property theft, subsidies, dumping in our country." 95

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:10:47-00:10:47 (1 sec)
"Yeah." 96

Laura Ingraham

Leans Negative
00:10:47-00:10:53 (6 sec)
"Are you, are you going to be tough on the enforcement side, given what they're doing to this country?" 97

Donald Trump

Leans Negative
00:10:53-00:10:59 (6 sec)
"Look, I would be... you have to understand something very important. We have a problem called North Korea." 98

Laura Ingraham

Negative
00:10:59-00:10:59 ( sec)
"But you.... you delinked it with Korea, with South Korea's trade deficit." 99

Donald Trump

Leans Positive
00:10:59-00:11:10 (11 sec)
"Yeah, well, we're going to see. But we have one problem that's a very big problem, it's called North Korea. China has been helpful. We are talking trade with China." 100

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:11:10-00:11:12 (2 sec)
"But I am also, you know... you have, you not just..." 101

Laura Ingraham

Slightly Positive
00:11:12-00:11:14 (2 sec)
"It's complicated. Yeah, it's not just one thing." 102

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:11:14-00:11:27 (12 sec)
"It's not in a total vaccum. And President Xi has been pretty terrific. Most people have been saying, you know, whether it's cutting the banking system off from North Korea, whether it's cutting the oil down to North Korea, or cutting supplies down." 103

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:11:27-00:11:39 (13 sec)
"And I must tell you, North Korea is a thing that I think we will solve, and if we don't solve it, it's not going to be very pleasant for them. Tt's not going to be very pleasant, I guess, for anybody. But China is helping us." 104

Laura Ingraham

Very Negative
00:11:39-00:11:41 (2 sec)
"Japan's worried. They're worried." 105

Donald Trump

Somewhat Negative
00:11:41-00:11:45 (4 sec)
"Well, of course, they're worried. They should be worried. You know, they're very close to North Korea." 106

Laura Ingraham

Positive
00:11:45-00:11:48 (3 sec)
"They want a nuclear pledge from the United States, if they go after Japan." 107

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:11:48-00:11:59 (11 sec)
"Well, you know, Japan, Japan is a warrior nation. And I tell China, and I tell everyone else that listens, I mean, you're going to have yourself a big problem with Japan pretty soon if you allow this to continue with North Korea." 108

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:11:59-00:12:03 (4 sec)
"Are you going to make any pledges to Japan to defend them with our [Inaudible] capacity?" 109

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:12:03-00:12:16 (13 sec)
"Look they're an ally. They're an ally. The prime minister is a very good friend of mine. Prime Minister Abe... I've become very close. I've become very, very close to President Xi of China. I think a lot of good things are going to happen. I think is a very important trip." 110

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:12:16-00:12:19 (3 sec)
"think this is one of the more important trips that a president is..." 111

Laura Ingraham

Slightly Negative
00:12:19-00:12:22 (3 sec)
"You don't like traveling now, right? You're not a big... you're not a big fan of traveling." 112

Donald Trump

Very Negative
00:12:22-00:12:35 (13 sec)
"Well, I don't love it. But I think it's important. I'm going to China. I'm going to Japan, South Korea. I'm then going to Vietnam where we have a tremendous trade conference, trade. And we're starting to do well in trade. Look, NAFTA is a disaster. NAFTA is killing us." 113

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:12:35-00:12:38 (2 sec)
"You've going to talk to Putin? You going to talk to him on this trip?" 114

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:12:38-00:12:43 (6 sec)
"And we're renegotiating it. And we may have a meeting with Putin. We may... and again, Putin is very important because they can help us with North Korea." 115

Laura Ingraham

Neutral
00:12:43-00:12:43 ( sec)
"Syria?" 116

Donald Trump

Positive
00:12:43-00:12:46 (3 sec)
"They can help us with Syria. We have to talk about Ukraine." 117

Laura Ingraham

Very Positive
00:12:46-00:12:49 (3 sec)
"Are you having fun in this job? Is it..." 118

Donald Trump

Positive
00:12:49-00:12:53 (4 sec)
"I am. I love it. Well, there's been a lot of false reporting that I'm angry about things." 119

Laura Ingraham

Leans Positive
00:12:53-00:12:55 (3 sec)
"I never... I've never seen any angry. I've known you for 14 years." 120

Donald Trump

Very Negative
00:12:55-00:13:07 (12 sec)
"No, I think the press is fake. A lot of the media is fake. But, so you could say there's a certain anger there, but it's not really anger. It's really amazement at how dishonest, you know, when you get right down to it, how dishonest the news is." 121

Laura Ingraham

Slightly Positive
00:13:07-00:13:09 (2 sec)
"You're family is adjusting well?" 122

Donald Trump

Slightly Positive
00:13:09-00:13:12 (4 sec)
"But I am, I am really... Well, I think my family has been treated unfairly." 123

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:13:12-00:13:28 (16 sec)
"I think that Ivanka has been treated very unfairly, frankly. Melania is really just powering through it. She's been incredible. People love Ivanka. People love Melania and, you know they go through it. But I do think the family's been treated a little bit unfairly." 124

Donald Trump

Positive
00:13:28-00:13:44 (16 sec)
"In the end, what is very nice is we really have, I don't think, I'm notsaying this in a braggadocios way, I don't think over a period of nine or ten months there's been any president in the beginning of their presidency that's done anywhere close." 125

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:13:44-00:13:50 (6 sec)
"When you think about regulations, and Supreme Court, and so many different things... things, and stock markets and the economy." 126

Laura Ingraham

Slightly Negative
00:13:50-00:14:00 (11 sec)
"I like the fact that you're impatient for change in a city that is slow moving, and moves at a glacial pace, and that's something you got from that business. You're impatient for change." 127

Donald Trump

Neutral
00:14:00-00:14:11 (10 sec)
"Well, and the most impatient most important thing that we're going to be doing is tax cuts tax cuts if we get this through, and I think we will, you're going to see this economy take off like a rocket ship." 128

Laura Ingraham

Somewhat Positive
00:14:11-00:14:12 (1 sec)
"Thank you so much Mr. President." 129

Donald Trump

Somewhat Positive
00:14:12-00:14:12 ( sec)
"Thank you very much." 130

Laura Ingraham

Positive
00:14:12-00:14:13 (1 sec)
"I really appreciate all the time." 131

Donald Trump

Very Positive
00:14:13-00:14:14 (1 sec)
"Appreciate it. Thank you." 132

Laura Ingraham

Somewhat Positive
00:14:14-00:14:15 (1 sec)
"Thank you." 133